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Rachel's avatar

As always, great essay. Couple thoughts-

I'm new to this mode of thinking. I'm new to following the (independent) news closely. I'm new to learning about what capitalism is, what imperialism is, the whole shabang. Just a few years ago I was one of those Democrats completely brainwashed against Trump. While it sucks they got me for a couple years, in a way I'm glad it happened. You can't understand the other side without hearing their arguments (which is why Democrats won't ever understand a system other than capitalism, but I digress.)

These people are brainwashed. Nearly the whole of America is brainwashed. We need to have grace with these people. Not saying you don't display grace, not at all. I'm more reminding myself and anybody else strolling by these comments that most people who oppose us are not inciting opposition against us. It's more casual. They've been told we're idiots, so they don't bother to look at our info.

We cannot hold it against people or judge them for not understanding that 1) the bullshit system we have doesn't have to be and 2) some of the people who present themselves as the solution are actually dead end distractions from the solution.

Which brings me to the second point- I could've saved myself a lot of agony had I found people like you a year ago. But I'm sure you know that the algorithms are strict and will never let me find you or Peter Coffin or Caleb Maupin by chance. No way. I thought I'd found something "really left" when I came across the Socialist Program (Becker podcast). When the starting place is Democrats, Becker can look pretty good.

And yes, I think people have misgivings about the Becker type groups, I mean anybody with half a brain knows that nothing changes without a LOT OF PEOPLE. So I would hope that a lot of people get in those groups and think, "Hmm that is odd but ok we're gonna bash I can be down with bashing".

Because you can't find real leftists on the internet! Unless you have a clue to start with- a good name, for example, you're going to be stuck with all the fake left bullshit the algorithm lets you see.

Which all makes me agree with your thesis- in urgent times like this, we need to meet the people who are ready to be met. And that is NOT the mainstream left. They're more brainwashed than any of them because they're so certain they're not brainwashed. It's too much energy just describing them, let alone trying to smash their worldview and build a new one. And I say that with respect for them as individuals. I understand that THEY don't understand how much they're being used.

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continued> The current stage of decline and powerlessness we're experiencing is bringing people around to open up to the Socialist option . Many people are ready to supplant the whole electoral parade with Socialist leaders . I'm @bobdayton on X , something similar on Threads and Robert Dayton on FB . I DO find many Socialists who are openly vocal and others not . Remember sm is made up of not only Americans and they're educating Americans that they're being lied to about everything Socialist . Don't worry , it's coming but it's not helpful to launch doomed showboats over and over . So my idea is to be authentic about it and fight the information and ideology wars , and consolidate the working classes like Rainer says , rally on the major issues , Anti imperialism and real wage . Demystify the illusion of scarcity . Show skeptics that there's enough money , arable land and food etc to circumvent and de incetivize Big Pharma and the MIC . THEY have our fucking $$$ after all . So Socialism is affordable , legit , pays well and SERVES the PEOPLE .

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